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Since december 12th 2016 OpenPLi is supporting Jess.<br />
 
  
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'''Since december 12th 2016 OpenPLi is supporting Jess.'''<br />See: https://forums.openpli.org/topic/46048-announcement-jess-support/
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For those not familiar with JESS, it’s a system comparable to Unicable, but with extended capabilities (more positions, more user bands).<br />
 
For those not familiar with JESS, it’s a system comparable to Unicable, but with extended capabilities (more positions, more user bands).<br />
 
Users not employing Unicable or JESS equipment will experience no difference.<br />
 
Users not employing Unicable or JESS equipment will experience no difference.<br />
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For users that have installed Unicable equipment, unfortunately, they will need to reconfigure their tuners. That’s due to tuner configuration having changed. It’s more logical and simpler now. In the process, we added a pile of preconfigured Unicable and JESS switches, so most users will not have to enter all user bands separately; they can now just choose the appropriate switch model.<br />
 
For users that have installed Unicable equipment, unfortunately, they will need to reconfigure their tuners. That’s due to tuner configuration having changed. It’s more logical and simpler now. In the process, we added a pile of preconfigured Unicable and JESS switches, so most users will not have to enter all user bands separately; they can now just choose the appropriate switch model.<br />
  
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'''Why it's called Jess and not 'Unicable II'?'''<br />
 
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Jultec has developed this protocol, so they have every right to call it "JESS". Then they had it standardized by CENELEC as an EN... standard (which name nobody uses because it's far too long). Also Jultec never called it "Unicable 2", that's an invention of outsiders. As previously correctly stated, the term "Unicable II" is not officially linked to the EN50607 European standard, but actually also Jultec recognizes that some manufacturers use different naming for this standard like "Unicable 2":<br />
 
  
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'''Why it's called Jess and not 'Unicable 2'?'''<br />
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Jultec has developed this protocol, so they have every right to call it "JESS". Then they had it standardized by CENELEC as an EN... standard (which name nobody uses because it's far too long). Also Jultec never called it "Unicable 2", that's an invention of outsiders. As previously correctly stated, the term "Unicable II" is not officially linked to the EN50607 European standard, but actually also Jultec recognizes that some manufacturers use different naming for this standard like "Unicable 2"<br />
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[[File:Unicable-Jess-005.png]]<br />
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''Our developer Erik explains:''
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Erik: “First a few concepts: SCR (Unicable / JESS) and FBC. SCR is separate from FBC. If you would have a receiver with eight loose tuners (if it were to exist) then you could use SCR exactly as with an FBC tuner. If you use a FBC tuner for SCR (= Single Cable Reception), it's no more and no less than eight sounded tuners.
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Where a FBC tuner is just a bit different from a few loose tuners, if you're NOT a SCR tuner. The first two tuners (A and B) are EXACT equal to an ordinary tuner. You can connect whatever you want, a single LNB, a simple switch, a multiswitch, a rotor, whatever you want. See the following schedules.
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[[File:Unicable-Jess-001.png|frameless|left]]
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The other six tuners (C to H) are just a bit different. These tuners do not have their own physical connection with a cable (LNB input). Again the analogy with a receiver with eight loose tuners; You must imagine that you have listened to the first two tuners with their own cable and the other six tuners. That's the principle of an FBC tuner.
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There is a difference. If you usually pass loose tuners, choose to loosen it to one particular other tuner. The sounded tuner is thus "fixed" on a particular cable. FBC tuners can "dynamically loop through". Once you have not connected 1 but 2 cables, Enigma searches for any channel you choose from which cable the first available tuner should be. In the tuner setup screen you can see what's up to date at any time. So you do not have to do that by yourself, Enigma does it for you.
  
  
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Erik: “Eerst een paar begrippen: SCR (Unicable/JESS) en FBC. SCR staat los van FBC. Als je een ontvanger met acht losse tuners zou hebben (als die zou bestaan), dan zou je daar met SCR precies hetzelfde mee kunnen als met een FBC tuner. Als je een FBC tuner voor SCR (= Single Cable Reception) gebruikt, dan is het niks meer en niks minder dan acht doorgeluste tuners.
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[[File:Unicable-Jess-002.png|frameless|right]]
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Waar een FBC tuner net even wat anders is dan een paar losse tuners, is als je 'm NIET als SCR tuner gebruikt. De eerste twee tuners (A en B) zijn EXACT gelijk aan een gewone tuner. Je kunt er op aansluiten wat je wilt, een enkele LNB, een simpele switch, een multiswitch, een rotor, wat je maar wilt. Zie de volgende schema’s.
 
  
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Practical example. Imagine having two quattro LNBs on the famous 23.5E and 28.2E with a multiswitch on the back. In addition, I have some LNBs for less viewed positions. They then appear on an uncommitted switch. So you have two cables in this way; On one cable you can watch 23.5E and 28.2E, while the other cables enter the other positions.<br />
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De andere zes tuners (C t/m H) zijn net even wat anders. Deze tuners hebben geen eigen fysieke connectie met een kabel (LNB input). Weer de analogie met een ontvanger met acht losse tuners; moet je voorstellen dat je de eerste twee tuners met eigen kabel en dat de andere zes tuners zijn doorgelust. Dat is het principe van een FBC tuner.
 
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Er is één verschil. Als je normaal losse tuners doorlust, dan kies je ervoor om die door te lussen naar één bepaalde andere tuner. De doorgeluste tuner zit dus "vast" op een bepaalde kabel. FBC tuners kunnen "dynamisch doorlussen". Zodra je niet 1 maar 2 kabels hebt aangesloten, dan zoekt Enigma voor elke zender die je kiest zelf uit naar welke kabel de eerst beschikbare tuner doorgelust moet worden. In het tuner-setup-scherm kun je op elk moment zien wat naar waar is doorgelust. Dat doorlussen moet je dus niet zelf doen, dat doet Enigma voor je.
 
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Praktijkvoorbeeld. Stel ik heb twee quattro LNB's op de bekende 23.5E en 28.2E met een multiswitch er achter. Daarnaast heb ik je enkele LNB's voor minder bekeken posities. Die komen dan uit op een uncommitted switch. Je hebt op die manier dus twee kabels; op één kabel kun je 23.5E en 28.2E kijken, op de andere kabel komen de andere posities binnen.
 
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Wat je dan doet is beide kabels aansluiten op de FBC. Tuner A configureer je als DiSEqC 4 posities (met 2 geconfigureerd, in dit geval), Tuner B configureer je als advanced, DiSEqC 1.1, uncommitted command = input 1,2,3, etc. Je kunt dan de 23.5E en 28.2E op tuner A kijken en de andere posities op tuner B. Enigma zorgt er automatisch voor dat de juiste tuner wordt gekozen.
 
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Als je nou meer dan een transponder tegelijk gaat kijken op ofwel 23.5E en 28.2E ofwel op de andere posities, dan zou je normaal gesproken een melding krijgen van Enigma dat dat niet kan, alle tuners zijn in gebruik. Nu met de FBC tuner, gaat hij kijken wat de eerstvolgende niet-gebruikte tuner is. Meestal is dat dan C, maar als je lekker bezig bent, kan dat ook bijvoorbeeld H zijn. Dan gaat hij kijken welke input je nodig hebt, 23.5E en 28.2E of de andere posities. Dan wordt er gekeken op welke tuner die is aangesloten (A of B). Op dat moment maakt Enigma intern een doorlus van de nieuwe tuner naar tuner A of tuner B, afhankelijk van wat nodig is. Als je van die transponder af gaat, dan wordt die doorlus weer ongedaan gemaakt.
 
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Dus, acht tuners in totaal, twee fysiek net als elke andere tuner, zes zonder fysieke input, maar dynamisch doorgelust naar tuner A of B die wél een fysieke aansluiting hebben.
 
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En dan geldt ook de normale beperking aan doorlussen, alleen transponders in hetzelfde kwadrant kunnen over dezelfde kabel gedeeld worden. Tuner A en B, die de fysieke aansluiting hebben, geven de commando's aan de switch of LNB en die bepalen dus laag/hoog en verticaal/horizontaal. De doorlustuners (C-H) kunnen alleen daarop meeliften; als de band (laag/hoog) en de polarisatie (verticaal/horizontaal) gelijk is, hoeven er geen commando's gestuurd te worden en kan tuner A of B gewoon blijven doen wat die aan het doen is en is het geen probleem. Als de band of polarisatie verschillend is, dan is het niet mogelijk door te lussen.
 
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Het goede nieuws is dat alle transponders van CanalDigitaal op Astra 23.5 oost dezelfde band en polarisatie hebben, dus is het voor ons best interessant. Je kunt dan met één kabel alle acht tuners van signaal voorzien en kunnen allemaal tegelijk werken. Dat alleen voor de Nederlandse zenders dus, zodra je naar een andere positie moet (Astra 19.2 oost) of een andere provider op Astra 23.5 oost, gaat dit niet meer op. Dan helpt alleen SCR (Unicable of JESS).
 
  
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What you do then connect both cables to the FBC. Tuner A configures you as DiSEqC 4 positions (with 2 configured, in this case), Tuner B configures you as advanced, DiSEqC 1.1, uncommitted command = input 1,2,3, etc. You can then select the 23.5E and 28.2E Tuner A and other positions on tuner B. Enigma automatically ensures that the correct tuner is selected.
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If you are going to watch more than one transponder at either 23.5E and 28.2E or in other positions, you would normally be notified by Enigma that it is not possible, all tuners are in use. <br />
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Now with the FBC tuner, he will see what the next unused tuner is. This is usually C, but if you are well busy, that may be H, for example. Then he will look what input you need, 23.5E and 28.2E or the other positions. Then check which tuner is connected (A or B). At that time, Enigma internally makes a new loop of the new tuner to tuner A or tuner B, depending on what is needed. If you leave that transponder, that loopback will be undone again.
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So, eight tuners in total, two physically just like any other tuner, six without physical input, but dynamically transmitted to tuner A or B, which has a physical connection.
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And then the normal limitation of loop loops also applies, only transponders in the same quadrant can be shared over the same cable. Tuner A and B, which have the physical connection, give the commands to the switch or LNB and thus determine low / high and vertical / horizontal. The passers-byers (C-H) can only compete with them; If the tire (low / high) and polarization (vertical / horizontal) are equal, no commands need to be sent and tuner A or B can just keep doing what it's doing and it's no problem. If the tire or polarization is different then it is not possible to loosen.
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The good news is that all CanalDigitaal transponders on Astra 23.5 oz have the same band and polarization, so it's interesting for us. You can then provide all eight tuners with a single cable and can all work simultaneously. That means that only for Dutch channels, as soon as you have to go to another location (Astra 19.2 east) or another provider on Astra 23.5 east, this does not stop. Then only SCR (Unicable or JESS) helps.
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[[File:Unicable-Jess-003.png|frameless|right]]
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[[File:Unicable-Jess-004.png|frameless|right]]
 
'''About SCR'''<br />
 
'''About SCR'''<br />
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SCR is a system in itself, it is not an LNB (or a switch). From SCR you have two types, "Unicable" or "Unicable 1" and the newer "JESS" which is also called "Unicable 2". The idea is the same, the possibilities are different.
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The basics: You connect multiple tuners to one cable (hence the name). Each tuner is assigned a certain frequency (the "userband": UB). The tuner indicates the "outdoor"
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Unit "(ODU, which can be an LNB or a switch, usually switch) by which frequency it wants to receive, including polarity. The ODU then ensures that that particular frequency is transmitted to the frequency reserved for that tuner (UB ). The tuner is always always on the same frequency, the UB for that tuner, the ODU causes the desired frequency to end.
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Depending on the ODU, you can use two to 8 (Unicable) or 32 (JESS) UBs, which is equal to the number of tuners you can connect. These tuners all work independently because there is no complete quart band over the cable (vertical / horizontal, high / low). That means you can "unleash" the tuners of one or more recipients without the usual disadvantages. FBC is no exception to this, an FBC tuner just counts as a string of tuned tuners. But because of the SCR concept, you can receive independent frequencies. And as I said, if you had a receiver with eight loose tuners (if it were to exist), that would be exactly the same.
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Unicable was designed by Inverto at the time, and it still complies if you want to pass up to 2 positions and up to 8 user bands over the cable. If you want more placements or more user bands, you will come to JESS, which was later devised by Jultec.
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SCR is een systeem op zich, het is geen LNB (of een switch). Van SCR heb je twee soorten, "Unicable" oftewel "Unicable 1" en het nieuwere "JESS" wat ook wel "Unicable 2" wordt genoemd . Het idee is hetzelfde, de mogelijkheden zijn verschillend.
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I have experience with Unicable and JESS switches and that works very well, I can recommend it. You connect to regular quattro LNBs, just like on a regular multiswitch, only 4/6/8/10/12 / etc cables will only be one (sometimes two or more). There are also special SCR LNBs, with the LNB's running through without a switch. This way is cheaper than with a SCR switch, but it also gives limitations, I do not have any experience in any case.
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De basics: je sluit meerdere tuners aan op één kabel (vandaar de naam). Elke tuner krijgt een bepaalde frequentie toegewezen (de "userband": UB). De tuner geeft aan de "outdoor
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You can buy an unicable switch for an amount of about one hundred euros. JESS switches are even more expensive, but the expectation is that it will be cheaper. There are JESS LNBs, which you can get from thirty euros."
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unit" (ODU, dat kan een LNB of een switch zijn, meestal switch) door welke frequentie die wil ontvangen, inclusief polariteit. De ODU zorgt er dan voor dat die bepaalde frequentie op de frequentie wordt doorgegeven die voor die tuner is gereserveerd (UB). De tuner staat dus altijd continu op dezelfde frequentie, de UB voor die tuner, de ODU zorgt ervoor dat de gewenste frequentie daarop terechtkomt.
 
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Afhankelijk van de ODU kun je twee tot 8 (Unicable) of 32 (JESS) UB's gebruiken en dat is dan gelijk aan het aantal tuners wat je kunt aansluiten. Deze tuners werken allemaal onafhankelijk van elkaar, omdat er niet een complete kwart band over de kabel hoeft (verticaal/horizontaal, hoog/laag). Dat betekent dat je de tuners van één of meerdere ontvangers op die manier kunt "doorlussen" zonder de gebruikelijke nadelen. FBC is daar geen uitzondering in, een FBC tuner telt hier gewoon als een rijtje doorgeluste tuners. Maar vanwege het SCR-concept kun je daar dan toch onafhankelijk frequenties mee ontvangen. En zoals gezegd, als je een ontvanger met acht losse tuners zou hebben (als die zou bestaan), zou precies net zo gelden.
 
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Unicable is destijds door Inverto bedacht en voldoet op zich nog steeds, als je maximaal 2 posities en maximaal 8 user bands over de kabel wilt doorgeven. Wil je meer posities of meer user bands, dan kom je uit bij JESS, wat later voor dat doel door Jultec is bedacht.
 
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Ik heb ervaring met Unicable- en JESS-switches en dat werkt gewoon erg goed, ik kan het aanraden. Je sluit er gewone quattro LNB's op aan, net als op een gewone multiswitch, alleen komen er niet 4/6/8/10/12/etc kabels uit maar één (soms twee of meer). Er zijn ook speciale SCR LNB's, waarbij je de LNB's zelf al doorlust, zonder dat er een switch tussen komt. Deze manier is goedkoper dan met een SCR switch, maar het geeft ook beperkingen, ik heb er zelf geen ervaring mee in ieder geval.
 
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Een Unicable switch kun je kopen voor een bedrag van ongeveer honderd euro. JESS switches zijn nog wat duurder, maar de verwachting is dat dat wel goedkoper gaat worden. Er zijn JESS LNB's, die kun je vanaf dertig euro krijgen.”
 
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OpenPLi has implemented Jess completely. See: https://forums.openpli.org/topic/46048-announcement-jess-support/
 

Latest revision as of 16:47, 2 June 2017

Source: UP/DOWNLINK, jaargang 2016, nummer 12.

Since december 12th 2016 OpenPLi is supporting Jess.
See: https://forums.openpli.org/topic/46048-announcement-jess-support/

For those not familiar with JESS, it’s a system comparable to Unicable, but with extended capabilities (more positions, more user bands).
Users not employing Unicable or JESS equipment will experience no difference.

For users that have installed Unicable equipment, unfortunately, they will need to reconfigure their tuners. That’s due to tuner configuration having changed. It’s more logical and simpler now. In the process, we added a pile of preconfigured Unicable and JESS switches, so most users will not have to enter all user bands separately; they can now just choose the appropriate switch model.


Why it's called Jess and not 'Unicable 2'?

Jultec has developed this protocol, so they have every right to call it "JESS". Then they had it standardized by CENELEC as an EN... standard (which name nobody uses because it's far too long). Also Jultec never called it "Unicable 2", that's an invention of outsiders. As previously correctly stated, the term "Unicable II" is not officially linked to the EN50607 European standard, but actually also Jultec recognizes that some manufacturers use different naming for this standard like "Unicable 2"

Unicable-Jess-005.png

Our developer Erik explains: Erik: “First a few concepts: SCR (Unicable / JESS) and FBC. SCR is separate from FBC. If you would have a receiver with eight loose tuners (if it were to exist) then you could use SCR exactly as with an FBC tuner. If you use a FBC tuner for SCR (= Single Cable Reception), it's no more and no less than eight sounded tuners. Where a FBC tuner is just a bit different from a few loose tuners, if you're NOT a SCR tuner. The first two tuners (A and B) are EXACT equal to an ordinary tuner. You can connect whatever you want, a single LNB, a simple switch, a multiswitch, a rotor, whatever you want. See the following schedules.


Unicable-Jess-001.png


The other six tuners (C to H) are just a bit different. These tuners do not have their own physical connection with a cable (LNB input). Again the analogy with a receiver with eight loose tuners; You must imagine that you have listened to the first two tuners with their own cable and the other six tuners. That's the principle of an FBC tuner. There is a difference. If you usually pass loose tuners, choose to loosen it to one particular other tuner. The sounded tuner is thus "fixed" on a particular cable. FBC tuners can "dynamically loop through". Once you have not connected 1 but 2 cables, Enigma searches for any channel you choose from which cable the first available tuner should be. In the tuner setup screen you can see what's up to date at any time. So you do not have to do that by yourself, Enigma does it for you.


Unicable-Jess-002.png

Practical example. Imagine having two quattro LNBs on the famous 23.5E and 28.2E with a multiswitch on the back. In addition, I have some LNBs for less viewed positions. They then appear on an uncommitted switch. So you have two cables in this way; On one cable you can watch 23.5E and 28.2E, while the other cables enter the other positions.

What you do then connect both cables to the FBC. Tuner A configures you as DiSEqC 4 positions (with 2 configured, in this case), Tuner B configures you as advanced, DiSEqC 1.1, uncommitted command = input 1,2,3, etc. You can then select the 23.5E and 28.2E Tuner A and other positions on tuner B. Enigma automatically ensures that the correct tuner is selected. If you are going to watch more than one transponder at either 23.5E and 28.2E or in other positions, you would normally be notified by Enigma that it is not possible, all tuners are in use.

Now with the FBC tuner, he will see what the next unused tuner is. This is usually C, but if you are well busy, that may be H, for example. Then he will look what input you need, 23.5E and 28.2E or the other positions. Then check which tuner is connected (A or B). At that time, Enigma internally makes a new loop of the new tuner to tuner A or tuner B, depending on what is needed. If you leave that transponder, that loopback will be undone again.

So, eight tuners in total, two physically just like any other tuner, six without physical input, but dynamically transmitted to tuner A or B, which has a physical connection. And then the normal limitation of loop loops also applies, only transponders in the same quadrant can be shared over the same cable. Tuner A and B, which have the physical connection, give the commands to the switch or LNB and thus determine low / high and vertical / horizontal. The passers-byers (C-H) can only compete with them; If the tire (low / high) and polarization (vertical / horizontal) are equal, no commands need to be sent and tuner A or B can just keep doing what it's doing and it's no problem. If the tire or polarization is different then it is not possible to loosen.

The good news is that all CanalDigitaal transponders on Astra 23.5 oz have the same band and polarization, so it's interesting for us. You can then provide all eight tuners with a single cable and can all work simultaneously. That means that only for Dutch channels, as soon as you have to go to another location (Astra 19.2 east) or another provider on Astra 23.5 east, this does not stop. Then only SCR (Unicable or JESS) helps.


Unicable-Jess-003.png
Unicable-Jess-004.png

About SCR

SCR is a system in itself, it is not an LNB (or a switch). From SCR you have two types, "Unicable" or "Unicable 1" and the newer "JESS" which is also called "Unicable 2". The idea is the same, the possibilities are different. The basics: You connect multiple tuners to one cable (hence the name). Each tuner is assigned a certain frequency (the "userband": UB). The tuner indicates the "outdoor" Unit "(ODU, which can be an LNB or a switch, usually switch) by which frequency it wants to receive, including polarity. The ODU then ensures that that particular frequency is transmitted to the frequency reserved for that tuner (UB ). The tuner is always always on the same frequency, the UB for that tuner, the ODU causes the desired frequency to end.


Depending on the ODU, you can use two to 8 (Unicable) or 32 (JESS) UBs, which is equal to the number of tuners you can connect. These tuners all work independently because there is no complete quart band over the cable (vertical / horizontal, high / low). That means you can "unleash" the tuners of one or more recipients without the usual disadvantages. FBC is no exception to this, an FBC tuner just counts as a string of tuned tuners. But because of the SCR concept, you can receive independent frequencies. And as I said, if you had a receiver with eight loose tuners (if it were to exist), that would be exactly the same. Unicable was designed by Inverto at the time, and it still complies if you want to pass up to 2 positions and up to 8 user bands over the cable. If you want more placements or more user bands, you will come to JESS, which was later devised by Jultec.


I have experience with Unicable and JESS switches and that works very well, I can recommend it. You connect to regular quattro LNBs, just like on a regular multiswitch, only 4/6/8/10/12 / etc cables will only be one (sometimes two or more). There are also special SCR LNBs, with the LNB's running through without a switch. This way is cheaper than with a SCR switch, but it also gives limitations, I do not have any experience in any case. You can buy an unicable switch for an amount of about one hundred euros. JESS switches are even more expensive, but the expectation is that it will be cheaper. There are JESS LNBs, which you can get from thirty euros."

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